July 22, 2025
Trump Derangment Syndrome Is Real
Dr Carol Leibrman, author and Los Angeles-based psychiatrist, explains the very real (and treatable) disorder known as TDS, or Trump Derangement Syndrome. Dr. Carol describes the four levels of TDS and how destructive is can be if left unchecked.
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All right, we are going to be
joined by Doctor Carol
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Lieberman, and we're going to
talk about Trump Derangement
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Syndrome because I'm sure you've
heard it before.
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And we want to know, you know,
is there some legitimacy to it?
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Doctor Lieberman from Los
Angeles, thank you so much.
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She did write a great book back
in 2017 called Lions and Tigers
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and Terrorists.
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And I thought that was a kind of
a catchy book.
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And it was basically a serious
approach to helping parents deal
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with children's stress from, you
know, what's going on in the
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news.
And in this particular case,
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terrorism was something of a
something in 2017.
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And then COVID came along.
And my goodness, Doctor
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Lieberman, you must be a very,
very busy person dealing with,
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with stress and anxiety these
days, huh?
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Well.
Yes, of course, you know, when
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COVID came, that is, that's why,
I mean, it was, you know, the
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lockdowns were horrible and all
that.
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But the one silver lining to it
is that besides that, we parents
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got to see what's really being
taught in schools.
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That's a silver lining.
But also because we weren't out
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at concerts and things like
that, there weren't more terror
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attacks.
Not big ones anyway, at least
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not in America.
But we are at the brink.
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You know, we've been on on the
brink for a long time.
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We just had this, this respite
because of, of the lockdowns.
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But we are we are more in danger
today of terror attacks than we
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were on 9/11.
Oh, no question about that.
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There's a lot more attention
coming from all sides and
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there's no question I, I almost
want to split this interview in
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two because I've not actually
talked to a psycho psychiatrist
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since the COVID about the
effects that COVID had on
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society.
And I sometimes think that many
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of us it was, it was horrible
doctor, because I saw people
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that I loved and I thought I
knew.
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And then what the Trump thing
and everything else that's
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happened.
It's it, there's something that
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has completely changed in the
United States in the last five
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years.
Would you agree with that?
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It's different now.
Yes, yes.
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Nobody wants to really talk
about or acknowledge that things
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have changed because of COVID,
starting with COVID.
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But there's a kind of, there's a
first of all, the first thing is
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more awareness of our mortality.
And that has affected us in a
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lot of ways, none of them good.
Well, I mean, you know, in a way
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it's, you know, it's, it's
always good to have a, to
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realize that life is, is
precious and short and all of
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that.
And therefore you should, you
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know, accomplish things and, and
not sit around and, and wait
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around to, to accomplish things.
But the impact it has had the
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other side of that is I'm making
people think I have nothing left
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to lose, like I'm going to die
soon or sooner than I thought.
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And and that is, is at the root
of a lot of the violence that's
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going on.
That plus the fact that during
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COVID a lot, because people were
home, they watched a lot of
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people played a lot more hours
of violent video games than they
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ever had before.
And studies going back decades
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show that the more violent media
you consume, especially video
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games, the more aggressive you
become.
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So we come out of COVID and
instead of it being, you know,
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the, the, and the sun soaked,
you know, wonderful Nirvana,
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heaven and all of that, that we
were told it was going to be.
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Instead, people are like we, we
have road rage, we have air
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rage, We have more rage than we
ever had before.
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And it's not a coincidence.
Plus, of course, the rage is
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that the government for for
making us locked down in the 1st
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place and for making us take the
vaccines, which I never actually
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took, I didn't let my daughter
take, but a lot of people did.
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And now we realize how dangerous
they really are, you know,
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because.
Of the well some of us have
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that's the the thing there are
still a good it's interesting
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you bring that because I still
know people who have no qualms
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about going in getting their
booster and they have no qualms
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about the fact that there's been
reports of super cancers now and
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more people are getting sick
more often.
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It's like they're in denial.
And that's what makes me think
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that a lot of us are suffering
from Stockholm syndrome.
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And in this case, the government
is the perpetrator and we are
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are are we?
We still have this great immense
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trust in our institutions when
clearly COVID showed us that
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they were not trustworthy at
all.
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Right.
Well, hopefully Fauci will be in
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jail at some.
Point too.
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I find it a website.
I had a website during the
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during COVID please fire, please
fire pouchy.com and I listed all
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the reasons why and I listed my
my prescription for America, the
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the things that people needed to
do to get themselves healthy
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instead of taking the vaccine.
Is it still up?
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No, actually, we took it.
Darn, I know.
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I why shouldn't have taken a
dance.
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Yeah, you.
Shouldn't have I mean, we're
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still living the nightmare, you
know, in some places, but listen
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to our folks all over all across
the country that are listening.
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You know, we don't like the
division, the people on the, my,
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my honest assessment is people
who are for Trump really do have
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a, you know, I'm not saying that
people don't, but the, the, the
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MAGA crowd seems to understand
the gravity of the situation of
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how our government is sort of
metastasized into something that
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works against us.
And we see examples of us even
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this week when we find out that,
you know, Obama conspired with a
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group of his his inner circle to
undermine the president, which
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is not what you're supposed to
do when you're an elected
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official.
But what is with the Trump
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arrangements?
That is because we all sat
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around and we could watch like
during COVID and all that, and
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we were just fed a nightly menu
of, I mean, is this like an
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Orwellian thing, like a Samuel
Emmanuel Goldstein, where we
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many people have just been
brainwashed to hate?
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Well, I don't think Trump can
really be blamed for for for
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COVID or for what happened I.
Mean he was not necessarily him,
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but just it was during that
period where he was in office
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and, you know, a lot of us sat
around and watch TV and we were
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absorbed by the news.
And he's an interesting,
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fascinating guy.
But what I'm trying to, I guess,
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ask you is where does all this
hatred, this innate hatred come
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from?
Is it really?
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A disorder, yes, I can explain
that to you.
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I don't really relate that to
Kovid, although I mean, because
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the four years of Biden has, you
know, I mean, that was, I mean,
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really Trump wasn't man
mandating these vaccines.
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It was.
It was.
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I just meant that it was during
COVID, you know, there are a lot
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more people were playing video
games where a lot more people
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were watching TV.
That's that's my only correct.
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I don't.
Yes, yes, yes.
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Yeah, I'm just asking where did
this hatred come from?
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Well, they actually, it did
start.
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There was Trump Derangement
Syndrome in Trump's first term.
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But you know, that was when we
were, and I even talked about
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that in the media, but it was
kind of more of a kind of
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laughter sort of thing.
It wasn't like a a super serious
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thing at that point.
I mean, some people thought of
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it more seriously, but but in
terms of society, it wasn't
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having that much of an impact on
society.
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But in this time around during
the campaign, you know, from the
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time you started running again
this time, Well, I mean, also of
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course in the the last time, but
but then he didn't supposedly
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didn't win.
And, but it's really come about
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in it's, it's flourished during
the campaign for this term.
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And where it comes from, it
comes from people not being
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happy.
Well, first of all, let me give
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you the definition, my
definition of it.
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And, and let me preface this by
saying that I have been working
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on this for months now, putting
together a diagnostic criteria
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proposal with diagnostic
criteria for Trump Derangement
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Syndrome to send to the American
Psychiatric Association, who
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writes every several years a
book called the Diagnostic and
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Statistical Manual.
It's like a Dictionary of of
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psychiatric disorders.
And so that's why I, you know,
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have been spending such a long
time on it getting getting the
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classifying A mild case, a
moderate case and a severe case.
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But but the definition is an
irrational, quasi psychotic
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hatred of anything Trump
resulting in rage and over the
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top efforts to destroy him and
his work.
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And this can spread to people
who are closely associated with
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him.
I mean, we saw, for example, the
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madness of about the Teslas and
also, you know, how JD Vance was
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blamed for the death of Pope
Francis and all of that.
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My guess is Doctor Carol
Lieberman.
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We're talking about Trump
Derangement Syndrome.
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Who has it, And when we get
back, how do we fix it?
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And we are talking with Doctor
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Carol Lieberman.
She is Los Angeles based a an
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experienced trained psychiatrist
and she has written many books
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about dealing with tension and
anxiety.
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Carol, what's behind the rage?
So it comes from from people
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having conflicts with their
parents.
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Well, first of all, it it, it
takes root in people who have
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psychological problems to begin
with.
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And these are particularly
people who have unresolved
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childhood conflicts with their
parents or other authority
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figures, people who have low
self esteem, disappointments,
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bubbling resentments that they
project onto Trump.
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They blame Trump for the reason
why their life isn't perfect and
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they obsess about him instead of
improving their own lot.
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So, so then I go into the and,
and in particular, men who are,
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who have TDs are men who are
jealous of Trump's, like Trump
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is a, a, an alpha male and
they're jealous of all the
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things, you know, all of who he
is because they are the things
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that stereotypically men are
supposed to get like a gorgeous
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wife, a lot of money, a lot of
power, two time president of the
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United States.
So they are jealous of him and
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envious of him and blame him for
all the things that are lacking
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in their lives.
Man, I'm just, I'm loving this
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one.
But let me ask you a quick
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question.
As a, as a psychiatrist, Doctor
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Lieberman, I'm sure you've seen
a rise of, of couples or at
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least one, maybe the husband or
the wife coming to see you about
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their anger about Trump.
And I know you can't obviously
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talk about your clients, but
have you seen a rise in this
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kind of yes?
Yes, so yes, there are divorces,
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there are divorce, you know, of
course, friendships being broken
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up over Trump Derangement
syndrome.
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Also people being fired over
Trump Derangement Syndrome or,
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or quitting because they don't
get along with their other the
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other people at their work and
then couples, yes you know, I
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mean, and it's so absurd.
I mean, it's so sad that that,
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you know, Lung is supposed to
trump Trump Derangement
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Syndrome.
Well, like when you see people
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getting on an airplane and they
see somebody with a Red Hat and
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they get triggered by that.
So that's a triggering effect,
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right?
And and so, so the underlying
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reasons are that person is
predisposed some some sort of
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mental disorder anyway.
Well, yes, I mean, often there
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are associated symptoms,
psychiatric symptoms that people
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can have along with the symptoms
that I can tell you about with
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the with Trump Derangement
Syndrome.
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But it also can be associated
with one or more of these
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general psychiatric symptoms
like 1 is anosogo anosognose
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that's very hard to pronounce
Anex nausea and those though
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nausea, which is an inability to
recognize or understand the that
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the impact that TDs has on them.
Then anxiety and depression,
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obsessive compulsive disorder,
hysteria, paranoia, sociopathy,
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psychopathy, suicidal thoughts,
delusions, loss of touch with
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reality, mass psychosis, anger,
irritability or rage as seen as
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prominent features in
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disruptive mood dysregulation
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disorder.
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be associated with TDs, but I, I
also designated symptoms for
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each of the, you know, mild,
moderate and and severe, mild,
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moderate and severe.
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are is when someone reels at the
mention of Trump's name or songs
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associated with him like YMCA
and God bless you USA.
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We've all seen these kind of
people, right?
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criticize and and use
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expletives, yelling or throwing
something at the TV like Trump
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appears.
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Well, you know, I'm making a,
I'm in the middle of making a
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website to go with this.
It's called the Trump
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derangementsyndrome.com.
It's not up yet.
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It's not, you know, there's
nothing there right now and
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there's nothing that the public
can see right now.
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I also have a quiz.
And so, so it has these, you
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know, these symptoms, but like,
do you have such and such?
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Then stammering when asked
what's not to like about Trump
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and an inability to come up with
anything that makes reasonable
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sense.
Incapacity to be able to state
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what policy is objectionable or
why.
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Deflecting instead with
statements like, oh, you know,
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he's just awful.
Expressing hatred of Trump in
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TikTok rants, other social media
posts or public forums.
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So if you have three out of
those, you have a mild case,
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three or more, you have a mild
case of TBS.
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The media does help to bring it
out because, and in fact, and in
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fact the View is, is one of my
examples of the Miles case.
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I was kind of generous A mild
case of TDs.
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So the media, you know, when you
see the women on the View, for
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example, talking about these
kinds of things, you know,
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criticizing Trump all the time,
that gives you the sense that
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you are right in your TDs.
It it sort of solidifies or
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helps to bring out exacerbate
the TBS so.
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What's the cure?
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This is the cure I have.
I recommended.
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First of all, you know, I know
most psychiatrists, they've
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turned into pill pushers these
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Not I.
And I'm so against that.
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I mean, I'm not against
medication if you need it for
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whatever it is symptoms that you
have, but I'm certainly against
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being a pill pushing doctor.
People go to psychiatrists for
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help and they get a prescription
and you know, that's not going
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to help, but the drugs alone are
not going to help anything.
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You need therapy.
All right, Anyway, my, my
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treatment recommendations.
But people with super mild cases
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of CDs, I recommend logic based
therapy or rational emotive
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behavior therapy.
This is basically, you know,
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this would be describing things
that Trump has already done that
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would benefit them, such as his
executive orders or things like
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that.
But this is only you know, so
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it's like rational therapy only
if they have my very mild cases.
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It's not healthy to have rage,
right?
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Well, right, yes, it's very
actually it's dangerous for your
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physical body to have rage about
anything, to hold that in.
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That's how you get ulcers,
that's how you get heart
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attacks, all kinds of things.
If you really have TDs, even
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mild TDs, it's not logical.
So it's hard to treat it with
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logic.
Then individual psychotherapy
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for all levels of TDs, not on
trying to change their mind
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about Trump because they would
just leave, never come back to
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therapy, but it would be
directed at their underlying
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problems and frustrations that
make them vulnerable to having
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TDs.
So, for example, for men,
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helping them with their
masculine insecurity issues or
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helping women cope with
dysfunctional relationships with
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men, then couples and family
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That's to address what you were
talking about that, you know,
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trying to prevent people from
getting divorced again, you
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know, focusing on the behaviors
that the spouse has who has TDs,
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not their beliefs, you know,
just trying to sort of get them
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to, to curb their behaviors in
relation to their to their
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spouse.
Family therapy similar.
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You know, if there's one family
member who has TDs and it's kind
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of ruining life for everybody
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Again, focusing on the, the
behaviors rather than, you know,
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why they have it or trying to
fix them from having it.
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who have moderate or major
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cases, of course, this would be
under the care of a psychiatrist
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as well as the therapy.
And you know, in the things like
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I was mentioning, like people if
they have associated features of
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paranoia and things like that,
you know, there's, there's
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medication that can help that.
Again, always in connection with
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therapy.
Now The thing is, you know, it's
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not anything to laugh about
anymore because because we have,
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you know, there's, it's really
this divisiveness is really
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ruining our society.
There's law fair, there's family
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breakdowns, there's violence.
You know, the police protests
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aren't, aren't just peaceful
protests.
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It's not about the first debate
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It's they're violent.
And then also we, you know, this
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whole rush to to assassinate
there, you know, between comedy
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finding supposedly just coming
upon these, these seashells that
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had 8647 on them and then just
other, you know, all kinds of
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things that are sort of
encouraging, encouraging
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assassination and violence and
violence.
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And so we're like turning into
third world countries.
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Listen, I, I wish we had more
time, Doctor Lieberman, but I do
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want to bring you back because
you've opened up a whole can of
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worms and we should talk about
all this.
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It's very important.
So Doctor Carol Lieberman
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joining us here on America
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All right, we are going to be
joined by Doctor Carol
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Lieberman, and we're going to
talk about Trump Derangement
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Syndrome because I'm sure you've
heard it before.
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And we want to know, you know,
is there some legitimacy to it?
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Doctor Lieberman from Los
Angeles, thank you so much.
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She did write a great book back
in 2017 called Lions and Tigers
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and Terrorists.
Oh my.
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And I thought that was a kind of
a catchy book.
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And it was basically a serious
approach to helping parents deal
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with children's stress from, you
know, what's going on in the
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news.
And in this particular case,
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terrorism was something of a
something in 2017.
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And then COVID came along.
And my goodness, Doctor
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Lieberman, you must be a very,
very busy person dealing with,
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with stress and anxiety these
days, huh?
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Well.
Yes, of course, you know, when
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COVID came, that is, that's why,
I mean, it was, you know, the
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lockdowns were horrible and all
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But the one silver lining to it
is that besides that, we parents
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got to see what's really being
taught in schools.
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That's a silver lining.
But also because we weren't out
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at concerts and things like
that, there weren't more terror
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attacks.
Not big ones anyway, at least
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not in America.
But we are at the brink.
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You know, we've been on on the
brink for a long time.
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We just had this, this respite
because of, of the lockdowns.
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But we are we are more in danger
today of terror attacks than we
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were on 9/11.
Oh, no question about that.
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There's a lot more attention
coming from all sides and
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there's no question I, I almost
want to split this interview in
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two because I've not actually
talked to a psycho psychiatrist
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since the COVID about the
effects that COVID had on
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society.
And I sometimes think that many
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of us it was, it was horrible
doctor, because I saw people
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that I loved and I thought I
knew.
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And then what the Trump thing
and everything else that's
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happened.
It's it, there's something that
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has completely changed in the
United States in the last five
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years.
Would you agree with that?
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It's different now.
Yes, yes.
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Nobody wants to really talk
about or acknowledge that things
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have changed because of COVID,
starting with COVID.
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But there's a kind of, there's a
first of all, the first thing is
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more awareness of our mortality.
And that has affected us in a
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lot of ways, none of them good.
Well, I mean, you know, in a way
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it's, you know, it's, it's
always good to have a, to
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realize that life is, is
precious and short and all of
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that.
And therefore you should, you
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know, accomplish things and, and
not sit around and, and wait
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around to, to accomplish things.
But the impact it has had the
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other side of that is I'm making
people think I have nothing left
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to lose, like I'm going to die
soon or sooner than I thought.
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And and that is, is at the root
of a lot of the violence that's
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going on.
That plus the fact that during
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COVID a lot, because people were
home, they watched a lot of
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people played a lot more hours
of violent video games than they
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ever had before.
And studies going back decades
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show that the more violent media
you consume, especially video
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games, the more aggressive you
become.
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So we come out of COVID and
instead of it being, you know,
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the, the, and the sun soaked,
you know, wonderful Nirvana,
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heaven and all of that, that we
were told it was going to be.
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Instead, people are like we, we
have road rage, we have air
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rage, We have more rage than we
ever had before.
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And it's not a coincidence.
Plus, of course, the rage is
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that the government for for
making us locked down in the 1st
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place and for making us take the
vaccines, which I never actually
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took, I didn't let my daughter
take, but a lot of people did.
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And now we realize how dangerous
they really are, you know,
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because.
Of the well some of us have
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that's the the thing there are
still a good it's interesting
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you bring that because I still
know people who have no qualms
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about going in getting their
booster and they have no qualms
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about the fact that there's been
reports of super cancers now and
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more people are getting sick
more often.
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It's like they're in denial.
And that's what makes me think
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that a lot of us are suffering
from Stockholm syndrome.
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And in this case, the government
is the perpetrator and we are
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are are we?
We still have this great immense
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trust in our institutions when
clearly COVID showed us that
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they were not trustworthy at
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Right.
Well, hopefully Fauci will be in
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jail at some.
Point too.
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I find it a website.
I had a website during the
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during COVID please fire, please
fire pouchy.com and I listed all
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the reasons why and I listed my
my prescription for America, the
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the things that people needed to
do to get themselves healthy
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instead of taking the vaccine.
Is it still up?
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No, actually, we took it.
Darn, I know.
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I why shouldn't have taken a
dance.
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Yeah, you.
Shouldn't have I mean, we're
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still living the nightmare, you
know, in some places, but listen
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to our folks all over all across
the country that are listening.
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You know, we don't like the
division, the people on the, my,
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my honest assessment is people
who are for Trump really do have
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a, you know, I'm not saying that
people don't, but the, the, the
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MAGA crowd seems to understand
the gravity of the situation of
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how our government is sort of
metastasized into something that
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works against us.
And we see examples of us even
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this week when we find out that,
you know, Obama conspired with a
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group of his his inner circle to
undermine the president, which
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is not what you're supposed to
do when you're an elected
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official.
But what is with the Trump
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arrangements?
That is because we all sat
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around and we could watch like
during COVID and all that, and
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we were just fed a nightly menu
of, I mean, is this like an
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Orwellian thing, like a Samuel
Emmanuel Goldstein, where we
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many people have just been
brainwashed to hate?
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Well, I don't think Trump can
really be blamed for for for
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COVID or for what happened I.
Mean he was not necessarily him,
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but just it was during that
period where he was in office
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and, you know, a lot of us sat
around and watch TV and we were
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absorbed by the news.
And he's an interesting,
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fascinating guy.
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ask you is where does all this
hatred, this innate hatred come
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from?
Is it really?
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A disorder, yes, I can explain
that to you.
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I don't really relate that to
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the four years of Biden has, you
know, I mean, that was, I mean,
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really Trump wasn't man
mandating these vaccines.
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It was.
It was.
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I just meant that it was during
COVID, you know, there are a lot
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more people were playing video
games where a lot more people
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were watching TV.
That's that's my only correct.
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I don't.
Yes, yes, yes.
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Yeah, I'm just asking where did
this hatred come from?
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Well, they actually, it did
start.
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There was Trump Derangement
Syndrome in Trump's first term.
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But you know, that was when we
were, and I even talked about
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that in the media, but it was
kind of more of a kind of
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laughter sort of thing.
It wasn't like a a super serious
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thing at that point.
I mean, some people thought of
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it more seriously, but but in
terms of society, it wasn't
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having that much of an impact on
society.
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But in this time around during
the campaign, you know, from the
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time you started running again
this time, Well, I mean, also of
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course in the the last time, but
but then he didn't supposedly
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didn't win.
And, but it's really come about
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in it's, it's flourished during
the campaign for this term.
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And where it comes from, it
comes from people not being
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happy.
Well, first of all, let me give
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you the definition, my
definition of it.
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And, and let me preface this by
saying that I have been working
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on this for months now, putting
together a diagnostic criteria
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proposal with diagnostic
criteria for Trump Derangement
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Syndrome to send to the American
Psychiatric Association, who
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writes every several years a
book called the Diagnostic and
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Statistical Manual.
It's like a Dictionary of of
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psychiatric disorders.
And so that's why I, you know,
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have been spending such a long
time on it getting getting the
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classifying A mild case, a
moderate case and a severe case.
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But but the definition is an
irrational, quasi psychotic
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hatred of anything Trump
resulting in rage and over the
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top efforts to destroy him and
his work.
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And this can spread to people
who are closely associated with
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him.
I mean, we saw, for example, the
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madness of about the Teslas and
also, you know, how JD Vance was
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blamed for the death of Pope
Francis and all of that.
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My guess is Doctor Carol
Lieberman.
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We're talking about Trump
Derangement Syndrome.
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Who has it, And when we get
back, how do we fix it?
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Coming up, America Today
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All right, welcome back to
America TODAY.
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It's good to have you.
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And we are talking with Doctor
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Carol Lieberman.
She is Los Angeles based a an
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experienced trained psychiatrist
and she has written many books
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about dealing with tension and
anxiety.
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Carol, what's behind the rage?
So it comes from from people
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having conflicts with their
parents.
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Well, first of all, it it, it
takes root in people who have
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psychological problems to begin
with.
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And these are particularly
people who have unresolved
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childhood conflicts with their
parents or other authority
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figures, people who have low
self esteem, disappointments,
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bubbling resentments that they
project onto Trump.
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They blame Trump for the reason
why their life isn't perfect and
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they obsess about him instead of
improving their own lot.
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So, so then I go into the and,
and in particular, men who are,
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who have TDs are men who are
jealous of Trump's, like Trump
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is a, a, an alpha male and
they're jealous of all the
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things, you know, all of who he
is because they are the things
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that stereotypically men are
supposed to get like a gorgeous
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wife, a lot of money, a lot of
power, two time president of the
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United States.
So they are jealous of him and
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envious of him and blame him for
all the things that are lacking
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in their lives.
Man, I'm just, I'm loving this
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one.
But let me ask you a quick
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question.
As a, as a psychiatrist, Doctor
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Lieberman, I'm sure you've seen
a rise of, of couples or at
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least one, maybe the husband or
the wife coming to see you about
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their anger about Trump.
And I know you can't obviously
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talk about your clients, but
have you seen a rise in this
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kind of yes?
Yes, so yes, there are divorces,
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there are divorce, you know, of
course, friendships being broken
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up over Trump Derangement
syndrome.
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Also people being fired over
Trump Derangement Syndrome or,
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or quitting because they don't
get along with their other the
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other people at their work and
then couples, yes you know, I
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mean, and it's so absurd.
I mean, it's so sad that that,
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you know, Lung is supposed to
trump Trump Derangement
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Syndrome.
Well, like when you see people
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getting on an airplane and they
see somebody with a Red Hat and
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they get triggered by that.
So that's a triggering effect,
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right?
And and so, so the underlying
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reasons are that person is
predisposed some some sort of
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mental disorder anyway.
Well, yes, I mean, often there
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are associated symptoms,
psychiatric symptoms that people
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can have along with the symptoms
that I can tell you about with
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the with Trump Derangement
Syndrome.
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But it also can be associated
with one or more of these
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general psychiatric symptoms
like 1 is anosogo anosognose
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that's very hard to pronounce
Anex nausea and those though
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nausea, which is an inability to
recognize or understand the that
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the impact that TDs has on them.
Then anxiety and depression,
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obsessive compulsive disorder,
hysteria, paranoia, sociopathy,
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psychopathy, suicidal thoughts,
delusions, loss of touch with
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reality, mass psychosis, anger,
irritability or rage as seen as
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prominent features in
intermittent explosive disorder,
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disruptive mood dysregulation
disorder, oppositional defiance
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disorder.
So these are symptoms that can
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be associated with TDs, but I, I
also designated symptoms for
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each of the, you know, mild,
moderate and and severe, mild,
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moderate and severe.
And so, for example, mild mild
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are is when someone reels at the
mention of Trump's name or songs
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associated with him like YMCA
and God bless you USA.
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We've all seen these kind of
people, right?
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And they have a need to
criticize and and use
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expletives, yelling or throwing
something at the TV like Trump
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appears.
So.
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Well, you know, I'm making a,
I'm in the middle of making a
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website to go with this.
It's called the Trump
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derangementsyndrome.com.
It's not up yet.
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It's not, you know, there's
nothing there right now and
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there's nothing that the public
can see right now.
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I also have a quiz.
And so, so it has these, you
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know, these symptoms, but like,
do you have such and such?
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Then stammering when asked
what's not to like about Trump
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and an inability to come up with
anything that makes reasonable
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sense.
Incapacity to be able to state
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what policy is objectionable or
why.
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Deflecting instead with
statements like, oh, you know,
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he's just awful.
Expressing hatred of Trump in
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TikTok rants, other social media
posts or public forums.
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So if you have three out of
those, you have a mild case,
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three or more, you have a mild
case of TBS.
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The media does help to bring it
out because, and in fact, and in
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fact the View is, is one of my
examples of the Miles case.
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I was kind of generous A mild
case of TDs.
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So the media, you know, when you
see the women on the View, for
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example, talking about these
kinds of things, you know,
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criticizing Trump all the time,
that gives you the sense that
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you are right in your TDs.
It it sort of solidifies or
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helps to bring out exacerbate
the TBS so.
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What's the cure?
Well.
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This is the cure I have.
I recommended.
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First of all, you know, I know
most psychiatrists, they've
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turned into pill pushers these
days.
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Not I.
And I'm so against that.
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I mean, I'm not against
medication if you need it for
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whatever it is symptoms that you
have, but I'm certainly against
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being a pill pushing doctor.
People go to psychiatrists for
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help and they get a prescription
and you know, that's not going
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to help, but the drugs alone are
not going to help anything.
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You need therapy.
All right, Anyway, my, my
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treatment recommendations.
But people with super mild cases
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of CDs, I recommend logic based
therapy or rational emotive
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behavior therapy.
This is basically, you know,
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this would be describing things
that Trump has already done that
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would benefit them, such as his
executive orders or things like
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that.
But this is only you know, so
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it's like rational therapy only
if they have my very mild cases.
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It's not healthy to have rage,
right?
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Well, right, yes, it's very
actually it's dangerous for your
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physical body to have rage about
anything, to hold that in.
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That's how you get ulcers,
that's how you get heart
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attacks, all kinds of things.
If you really have TDs, even
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mild TDs, it's not logical.
So it's hard to treat it with
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logic.
Then individual psychotherapy
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for all levels of TDs, not on
trying to change their mind
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about Trump because they would
just leave, never come back to
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therapy, but it would be
directed at their underlying
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problems and frustrations that
make them vulnerable to having
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TDs.
So, for example, for men,
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helping them with their
masculine insecurity issues or
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helping women cope with
dysfunctional relationships with
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men, then couples and family
therapy.
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That's to address what you were
talking about that, you know,
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trying to prevent people from
getting divorced again, you
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know, focusing on the behaviors
that the spouse has who has TDs,
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not their beliefs, you know,
just trying to sort of get them
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to, to curb their behaviors in
relation to their to their
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spouse.
Family therapy similar.
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You know, if there's one family
member who has TDs and it's kind
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of ruining life for everybody
else.
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Again, focusing on the, the
behaviors rather than, you know,
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why they have it or trying to
fix them from having it.
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And then medication for people
who have moderate or major
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cases, of course, this would be
under the care of a psychiatrist
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as well as the therapy.
And you know, in the things like
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I was mentioning, like people if
they have associated features of
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paranoia and things like that,
you know, there's, there's
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medication that can help that.
Again, always in connection with
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therapy.
Now The thing is, you know, it's
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not anything to laugh about
anymore because because we have,
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you know, there's, it's really
this divisiveness is really
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ruining our society.
There's law fair, there's family
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breakdowns, there's violence.
You know, the police protests
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aren't, aren't just peaceful
protests.
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It's not about the first debate
event.
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It's they're violent.
And then also we, you know, this
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whole rush to to assassinate
there, you know, between comedy
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finding supposedly just coming
upon these, these seashells that
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had 8647 on them and then just
other, you know, all kinds of
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things that are sort of
encouraging, encouraging
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assassination and violence and
violence.
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And so we're like turning into
third world countries.
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Listen, I, I wish we had more
time, Doctor Lieberman, but I do
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want to bring you back because
you've opened up a whole can of
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worms and we should talk about
all this.
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It's very important.
So Doctor Carol Lieberman
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joining us here on America
TODAY.
