The Facts About Climate Change

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Well, I'm happy to have back on
the program here at America

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today, Gregory Whitestone, he's
written a new book called A very

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convenient warming, How modest
warming and more CO2 are

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beneficial to humanity.
You know, the current narrative

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nowadays is that we're trying to
do net 0 carbon emissions and

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Europe is, is sort of losing
their edge.

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It's causing all kinds of
problems.

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So it's good to be able to tap
into Gregory Whitestone's

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knowledge base.
He is a, a man rooted in science

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and he is a, a, a, a geographer,
I believe first hand, but also

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the executive director of the
CO2 Coalition, an expert

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reviewer for the
intergovernmental of the IPOCC

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or the IPCC and best selling
author inconvenient facts, which

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I actually read.
So welcome back to the program,

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Greg, It's it's good to have you
of recent.

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We're hearing a lot of news
about this plan to put sulfuric

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something or other into the
atmosphere in or I think it's

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called the Aryan project or
something.

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What are they doing and, and why
are they doing it?

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That's the question.
And what science is it based on?

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You know what I'm talking about.
Exactly.

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I do.
The first question you have to

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ask is what could go wrong?
And the answer is a lot, a lot.

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I mean, it's it's really, they
would call me a science denier.

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I get that a lot.
Climate change denier, science

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denier.
I would call these people

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history deniers because they're
denying what human history tells

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us.
And that is throughout human

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history, going back to the first
grace, civilizations and empires

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that rose up the the
Babylonians, Hittites, the

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Assyrians, all around the world.
It was in a really, really warm

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period, much warmer than we are
today.

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And then it started getting cool
and all of those great empires

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collapsed.
But within about 50 or 100

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years, because it was getting
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History tells us that humanity
prospers when we're in a warming

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trend and horrifically bad
things happen when it gets cold.

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So they just have it completely
opposite.

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And it's it's a shame they
really don't know what's going

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to happen if they do this.
There's been a lot of people

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claiming I'm going to risk
alienating some of your

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listeners, but there are a lot
of people that believe in this

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chemtrail hoax.
It's it's just we just

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published, if you want to go
look on our website, CO2

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coalition.org, on our recent
report that Doctor Roy Spencer

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did on that matter.
It's these are these are

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contrails.
Contrails.

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Yeah.
Tell me.

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The difference between the two,
yeah, that's important.

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Well #1 they're not spraying
chemicals in the into the

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atmosphere through jets,
millions of jets all over the

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world.
But The Jets, when they burn jet

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fuel, they create mainly the
byproduct of course, is heat,

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which is why they're doing the
force.

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And then the, the byproduct is
water vapor and carbon dioxide.

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Those two things.
There's a little bit of stuff

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that comes out when you burn it,
but it's, there's not some grand

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conspiracy spraying jet trails.
We, we see, we can go back in

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the early, go back to World War
2 and you can see the contrails

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behind the, the bombers and the
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We, we show that on our website.
And so it's easy to just think

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about the, the, the, the
simplest fossil fuel is methane,

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It's natural gas.
And so methane is chapter 4.

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It's got 1 carbon and four
hydrogen atoms.

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And when you burn it, it creates
heat and also creates 2 water

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molecules and one carbon dioxide
molecule.

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And that's basically what's
being burned by the all the jet

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air jets going around the world.
People say, oh, well, it's been

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increasing.
It has we see more of them over

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here.
That's because there are more

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jets flying every year.
It's perfectly, we know pretty

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much pretty accurately how much
CO2 is emitted.

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And it's a linear relationship
between that and the water vapor

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that's coming out of the jet
engines and so.

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So you're going to scientists,
Let me just kind of make sure I,

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I understand.
So all these people worried

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about all these trails, it is
that because they're just more

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airplanes now than there used to
be?

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Sure, there's a yeah, and we can
go.

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We have really good information,
pretty accurate on, again, how

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much carbon dioxide is emitted.
And again, it's for every

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molecule carbon dioxide that's
emitted, there are two molecules

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of water vapor.
So we've got twice as much water

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vapor coming out those engines
as we do carbon dioxide.

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And it just depends.
It's it's a meteorological

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phenomenon.
If it's very dry, they don't

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leave these contrails behind
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Putting that aside, but there,
there has been an announcement

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in in London or in England that
there's been funding.

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And I know that Berkeley was
doing a study over the San

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Joaquin Valley.
They're putting something in the

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air to try to deflect the sun,
sunlight, thinking that that

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would have a, an effect on the
planet's surface of making me

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not so hot.
They are doing that right?

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I mean, yeah.
Not yet.

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I think there was a small pilot
scale projects that have been

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around the world there.
There's some particularly the

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wealthy Saudi Arabia or the
Arabian countries around the

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Middle East are have been using
what they call cloud seeding

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because they're they're trying
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It doesn't work very well.
Nobody does it anymore except

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for the people that are swimming
and millions of dollars worth of

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our money.
So, but it hasn't worked out

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very well cloud seeding.
There've been attempts through

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the year small scale of of
seeing if that would work.

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And it really the only way you
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rain is is if it's about ready
to rain anyhow.

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Mm hmm.
You can.

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You can put things out there
that'll.

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All right, so you're not
worrying an hour.

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We're talking with Gregory
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I'm.
Worried about, I'm worried I'm,

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I'm worried about the one in
England that's bad, that's

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potentially really bad.
And they want to put some sort

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of sulfur in the air.
Is that what they?

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What could that, what could
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What are some of the
potentialities of side effects?

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Well, the main thing would be we
would get less sunlight with,

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with that, which means, of
course, a lessened crop

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production.
And they're, they're building

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all these solar, industrial
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Of course it would impede that.
So, you know, they're, they're

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building these facilities.
So we're going to have to burn

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fossil fuels.
And now they want to block the

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sunlight from I, I don't think
it's going to go through and it

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would be a horrifically bad
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Again, we don't know what's
going to, we don't know what the

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long term consequences are.
Playing God like they're

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talking.
About I'm reading reports,

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there's a a, a man, a
environment industry lives in

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Northern California and he heads
an organization and he has he

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lives off the land.
So he's strictly on, you know,

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sustainable solar panels and
whatever.

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And he said that he noticed that
there's something happening with

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the trees and he thinks that
they're pumping some form of

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aluminum in the air over
California.

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So you don't think that's?
No, it's absolutely false.

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As a geologist, we know that is
there aluminum and yes, it's

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these are clay, they're clays
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makeup is aluminum.
These are big dust storms.

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You can you can actually see
them coming out of Sahara and

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they can reach over into the
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Dust storms often often will be
positive forms of aluminum in

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terms of illite, montmer,
illinite and other things that

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contain that.
There's just no it's, it's, it's

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being, it's, it's a conspiracy,
false conspiracy theory being

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spread mainly by a guy by the
name of Dale Wigginton when he.

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OK, you think he might be right
and it's.

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Yeah, yeah, he, yeah.
And he it's.

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So I want to get back to we've
distilled that.

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I think you've calmed some fears
of people who are worried about

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chemtrails and all that.
They'll be mad at, they'll be

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mad at me, don't worry.
Hey, listen, sometimes I'm not

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sure which side you're on, if
you're on the side that is a

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little skeptical about this
climate change or not, because

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did you have a hand in the IPCC
report or are you?

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I actually read that thing.
OK, You've read it, I'm sure and

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well.
Yeah, it it was the the final

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document, the only document
really that people read is the

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final one.
It's called the Summary for

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Policymakers, and that is not
written by science.

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There's, there's a good bit of
good science put out by the

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IPCC.
It's in thousands and many

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thousands of pages of documents.
But when they come to write the

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the final document, the summary
for policymakers, that that's

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written by politicians and it's
horrifically bad.

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And there's a lot of stuff we
got to cover, and I want to

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continue my conversation.
Gregory Whitestone is with us

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and his book is out.
And I like the play on words for

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the Al Gore book, Inconvenient
Truth.

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Your book is a very convenient
warming.

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How modest warming and more CO2
are benefiting humanity.

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And there's a few more
questions, I think that are very

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important when we continue in
just a moment, you're listening

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to America Today with Jim
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Hang on.
Welcome back to America TODAY,

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Jim Watkins.
We've got on our guest line

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Gregory Whitestone Offer, author
of a new book.

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He's a geologist by trade, and I
suspect he's done a lot of

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research in the climatology.
Does the IPCC report completely

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discount solar activity,
volcanic influence on the

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warming or cooling of the globe?
Do they just gloss over the

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bigger picture and attribute it
all to man?

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Yes, but the answer is, in
short, yes.

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That's what they do.
Very little.

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Very, very little discussed at
all on the role that changes in

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solar activity and volcanic
activity had volcanic activity

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tends to it, it tends to have
cooling effect on the planet,

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the really big volcanoes,
because again the the, the, the

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sulfates that come out of the
volcano go up in the

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stratosphere and they can
reflect the sunlight that's

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coming in and cause a cooling
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And in fact, we saw that we saw
similar cooling effect back in

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23, 2023.
Remember the Canadian fires that

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blanketed most of the northern
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with with brown haze for a few
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drop there.
That was significant because of

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that.
What do you These are all

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natural.
What do you say to the people

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who say thunderstorms are
getting more severe?

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We just saw, you know, 23 people
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tornadic.
They're all attributing it to

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climate change.
What's your response to them if

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they let you speak?
Well, we're #1 we can go, we can

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look at the biggest tornadoes,
F3F4F5 tornadoes.

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They're, they're the big ones
and they have definitely been in

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decline.
So it's, it's easy to believe

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they're increasing because of
the media plays this up

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tremendously whenever there is a
tragedy.

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Tornadoes have always been a
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the United States is unique in
the world with a number of

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tornadoes that are here.
And it's not because of climate

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change, but rather our unique
geography where we have warm

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moist air from the Gulf that
heads north and we've got cold

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and Canadian air coming across
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And when you have that cold air
above warm moist air, that's

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just tailor made for huge
thunderstorms and tornadoes.

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And that's and that's where we
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That's why the mid, mid, mid
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basket, the Midwestern United
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because that's just a perfect
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We, we don't find it around the
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They're, they're actually fairly
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Something like 90% of all the
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occur here in in North America.
I didn't know that, but that

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actually makes a lot of sense
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You're right.

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How many ice ages have there
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to the geologic history book?
How many ice ages have we had?

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Oh, we've had.
We've had a handful.

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Bear in mind though, we are
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We are in an Ice Age right now,
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We're just in, in, in what's
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the warm period between the
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It's I I'm corrected quite often
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sits on our board.
Sure, founder of Greenland.

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Right.
Don't.

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Yeah.
Or Greenpeace.

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Greenpeace, yeah.
Yeah, founder of yeah, founder

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of Co founder of Greenpeace.
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the term ice advances and
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still in the, the middle of an
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We just have this to be a warm
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Our, our temperatures today are
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of in the last 100 million
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It's it's quite cool compared to
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And the same with carbon
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Our carbon dioxide levels today
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levels.
We don't have too much CO2.

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We don't have enough.
We're actually CO2 impoverished

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because plants and crops are
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They're not performing up to
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growth and crop production
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use a lot more.
CO2CO2 and warming are huge

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benefit to agriculture.
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So as a scientist, when did you
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about global warming and
anthropogenic climate change,

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when did you realize something
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and you realized it was a lie?
Yeah, that's a great question.

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I, it was 2015, 2016.
I'd always, I knew I was always

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interested with it, but I was
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being a geologist.
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that some of what we were being
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was just wrong.
As a geologist, I knew like, for

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example, ocean acidification, it
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It's not happening.
It's never happening that nor

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will it ever happen.
I knew that because my, my

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knowledge base, I suspected
other things that we were being

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told were incorrect.
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myself and look, when I went
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at myself and frankly angered
me, what I found and it was the

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the scientists have been lying
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These people that are claiming
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increasing tornadoes, increasing
fire, increasing hurricanes, you

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name it, flooding, it's all it's
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But when you look at the data
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completing a report now on
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We're doing these regional
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It's really interesting.
What we found there is what we

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see other places, but more so is
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and actual temperatures have
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the Southeast.
Heat waves are dropping.

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And if we look at the number of
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more for that area and actually
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see there's those are in
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And that's what they're claiming
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science, the facts and the data
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Heat waves peaked 90 years ago
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Yeah.
But unfortunately nobody's

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around to remember that, right?
So as do you believe that there

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is such a thing as an average
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And if so, how would we know?
I mean by what method could we

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say this is the average?
What is the average global mean

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temperature?
Like 55° or something?

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Well, we've got, yeah, we, we
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stations to report temperature
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United States has the best of
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And we find that you're right.
It's just to say there's a

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global mean temperature, it is
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But we do it anyhow.
And they do it because we were,

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we're in a warming trend.
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we're in started more than 300
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started adding CO2 to the
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first Model T rolled off the
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warming.
And that was again 300 plus

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years ago.
This is when the warming started

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and it's only been in the last,
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that we've really began adding
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is in that world post World War
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And but we had warming occurring
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And you assert that the increase
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significant than in, in that
past, is not having a direct

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corollary effect on the warming
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And, and I believe that I've
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And of course, I'm not AI, don't
have letters attached to my

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name.
So nobody cares what I think.

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But I, I trust you and I trust
others who, who've I've had on

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my program.
So that it leads to the question

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that you've got major
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others who subscribe.
Do you think they know that

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they're do you think they're
lying or do you think that

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they're really deceived?
I think in Bill Gates case and

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some of these others, I think
they've been deceived because

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they just haven't heard anything
different, because they need to

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silence people like me and my
colleagues at the CO2 Coalition

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because we tell the truth and we
we tell a compelling fact based

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story about about what's
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So a lot of them are deceived.
They don't know any better.

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Some.
Are lying.

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Because there's a lot of money.
Oh, absolutely.

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There's a there's a lot of
money, but it's called the

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climate grift.
And there and again, if you're a

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scientist and you've bought into
this and you've been saying it

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for 20 years, it's really hard
to go back and say, you know

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what, I was wrong.
There aren't many scientists are

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able to do that.
There aren't many brave

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scientists willing to stand up
and get to all of their peers

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and tell the truth.
One one of those was Doctor

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Peter Ridd in Australia.
We've just completed a, a new

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illustrated children's book.
He collaborated with me on that.

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He's top expert on corals and
the Great Barrier Raven.

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He was fired from his position
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the healthy nature of the Great
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All right, well, look, we're out
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Gregory.
It's always great to catch up

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with you.
A very convenient warming is the

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name of the book How modern
Warming and More CO2 are

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benefiting humanity.
And I if if you're if they don't

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lock you up before the next
time, I'd like to have you back

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on again.
Okay, all right.

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Let's do it.
Thank you, Sir.

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I appreciate it.
Have a wonderful day.