July 28, 2025
Is AI Woke and How To Fix It
AI expert and PICKAX CEO Jeff Dornik joins us to talk about how to keep AI pure and from being tainted with WOKE ideology. Information should be unbiased, but as we have seen, Silion Valleyy has other plans.
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All right, welcome back, America
today.
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You know, woke is everything.
Our AI is everything now.
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And I wanted to bring in Jeff
Dornick about this because it's
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very important about AI and
where we're headed and what it
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means.
And Jeff is the CEO of Pickaxe,
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A groundbreaking social media
platform built on 2
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uncompromising principles,
freedom of speech and freedom of
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reach.
Welcome to the program.
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We appreciate you coming on.
Jeff, how are you?
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Doing very well, thanks for
having me.
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On Yeah, it's a pleasure, real
pleasure.
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So what's the drive right now
with the United States trying to
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dominate in the world of AI?
What is it about AI that is
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making our government so excited
right now?
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Well, I think there's there's a
couple of different issues all
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playing into this right now.
You know #1 you've got China,
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which it, which is investing
heavily into both artificial
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intelligence and quantum
computing to where from a, from
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a national standpoint, you know,
if you're looking at different
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nations, you know, competing in
this space, you know, China's
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definitely leading the way.
But then you also have a lot of
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the, a lot of the big tech
oligarch type guys, you know,
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the same Altman's little Larry
Ellison's, Mark Zuckerberg, even
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Elon Musk, they're all are all
super heavily invested into
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artificial intelligence as well.
And so I think that what's
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happened is that a lot of them
have coalesced around President
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Trump and convinced him of the
fact that, you know, our
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competition, IE China is, is
going to beat us at the at the
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AI race unless we invest heavily
into building out our own
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infrastructure and compete
directly with them, which is a
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factual statement.
At the same time, I think with
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not being asked with it within
our administration is what are
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the potential ramifications of
this?
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And is this going to be a
violation of our constitutional
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rights in a variety of ways?
And I don't, I don't see anybody
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actually discussing that side of
things.
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So that's definitely a concern.
Well, last week, so Trump signed
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an executive order saying he
doesn't want AI technology
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that's been influenced by
partisan bias or woke stuff.
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So how does how do you even, how
can you fix that?
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And how affected is AI with
wokeness right now in your
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opinion?
Yeah, I think AI in general is
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is pretty infected primarily
because it's like where, where
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is it getting its information?
You just look at Grok and
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obviously it had it had this
thing a couple weeks ago that
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where it went haywire being
completely anti-Semitic.
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But just over this last week we,
you know, we see you know, Grok
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relying on mainstream media
outlets for all of its sources,
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whether it's talking about
Russia gate, whether it's
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talking about election fraud,
whether it's talking about
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COVID-19.
And obviously that's going to
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have a much more woke bias.
Now, when you look at what
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President Trump is doing when
it's talking about AI, it was
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specifically within the
government, is basically saying
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if there's going to be a
government contract to bring in
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AI into one of our departments,
it cannot be infected with this
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kind of woke ideology, which I
think is going to be very hard
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to actually to actually decide
it and enforce just because the
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coding can be very convoluted.
So it depends on who's taking a
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look at it, who's deciding, you
know, that whole deal.
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On the on the flip side, we have
to remember this is all this,
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this, this last issue when it
came, when it came to this
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executive order with President
Trump, again, that was an
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executive order.
It wasn't legislation, which
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means it can it can be easily
undone with it, with the next
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president of the United States
just with a stroke of a pen.
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So because we're not doing this
through legislation, you know,
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it, it's easily reversible.
And the problem that I think the
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Trump administration is facing
is that during the big beautiful
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bill debate, you know, basically
a lot of a lot of what's in the
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the current executive order was
actually written into the
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legislation for the big
beautiful bill.
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There was an outcry from the
MAGA base, from several
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different leading voices within
the Republican Party, including
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Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas
Massie.
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And so they ended up pulling it
out of the legislation.
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And then Trump then turns around
and implements a lot of that
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with his executive order.
And so I don't necessarily see
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that going over well with a lot
of his base.
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But also, you know, because it's
by executive order, it can be
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easily done with the next
administration.
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Well, you know, we saw what
happened with the Wikipedia,
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which sort of became the go to
to find out everything.
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And then it, it became wokeified
and you had people who could go
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on and change things and put in
their own information and, and
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you know, but as a, for example,
because many people are still
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sort of getting used to what AI
is, I see it more as a
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surveillance tool, a data
gathering tool more than
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anything else.
It can help you if you're in
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marketing and you want, they've
really come a long way and being
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able to develop really cool
things, assets that people call
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them.
But it is true.
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I think that AI, it's all about
the input.
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It's only going to, it doesn't
think for itself.
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It's only going to go by the
information that's been fed into
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it or that it can curate.
So This is why it becomes woke
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because woke is is sort of
trending in mainstream America,
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right?
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And, and my issue when
especially when it comes to the
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government implementation of AI
is not as much about the woke
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ideology.
Yes, that can be a concern and
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all that.
But in in the, in the grand
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scheme of things, the most
important issues that where it's
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going, where it's being
implemented right now.
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I'm sure that the intelligence
agencies are using it, which,
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you know, who knows how they're
doing it because of how
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secretive they are.
But I think a perfect example of
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this is, is the departments of
HHS is now using artificial
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intelligence.
We're at a fast track, FDA
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approval of particular drugs and
eliminate animal testing, which
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I think is horrific to do it.
You know, obviously I don't like
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torturing puppies and all that
kind of stuff.
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But at the same time, we have to
have certain safeguards in order
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to protect humans before drugs
go to go to human trials, right?
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And so when we're looking at the
fast tracking of this and
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eliminating the animal trials in
exchange for the for the AI
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models, the problem is, is that
who's actually making the AI,
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the AI models?
And you could say, oh, well,
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under Kennedy, you know, it's
going to be completely neutral.
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There's going to be no outside
influence.
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He's not going to allow big
pharment in in order to
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influence the FDA or anything
like that with money.
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Well, what happens with the with
the next HHS secretary?
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That's the problem, is that more
or less, yeah.
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Then yeah.
Then yeah.
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Might get the like the last one
you know.
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Exactly.
Exactly.
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Tell me about your We got a
couple of minutes here.
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We're talking with Jeff Dornick.
He's the founder and CEO of
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Pickaxe.
So it sounds like it's sort of a
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a non biased.
Tell me what it is.
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Tell me about your company.
Yeah.
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Definitely.
I appreciate.
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Yeah.
So it's a social media platform
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that we that we built and it's
kind of a hybrid between X and
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Substack with a bunch of other
really cool, you know, features
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built into it.
But the whole idea behind it was
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not only allowing you to have
freedom of speech, but then also
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freedom of reach, which means
that we're not going to use
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algorithms in order to
manipulate your exposure to your
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audience.
So he follows you.
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That means that they actually
want to see your content.
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So we're not going to get in
between you and your audience,
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but we're also finding new and
innovative ways in order to
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bridge that gap between users to
users and creators to users as
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well.
So things like, you know, we're
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going to be implementing an
e-mail newsletter component
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where you can send emails to to
your subscribers.
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You know, we're, we're bringing
up new and innovative ways for
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content creators to be able to
monetize their content.
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You know, you can write articles
directly within our platform and
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have and have it readable right
there.
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We integrate with Rumble into
the platform to where all Rumble
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videos are playable in the news
feed as if it's native to the
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platform.
So we're doing a lot of really
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cool things with this.
And so we've been building
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building this out.
We've got the web version out
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right now at at pickaxe.com.
And then we're going to be
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launching the app here next
month as well.
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And that'll be on both iOS and
Android.
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And we're getting a lot of
amazing people already coming
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over, including like Children's
Health Defense, Naomi Wolf, you
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know, Shannon Joy, Daily Cloud,
a bunch of amazing people
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already on the platform.
So I highly encourage people to
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come on over.
I'm going to check it out.
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I I'm somewhat happy with
getter, but it's a lot of it's
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sort of like an echo chamber X.
It's just not keeping up.
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So there's not a lot of real
great sources out there for good
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social media.
I'm going to check it out.
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And it's spelled, by the way,
for people listening, PICKAX,
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pick X.
And that's the name of the new
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social media platform that's out
there.
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If you're into social media, I
know I am.
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I'm a content producer, so I
like new avenues to reach new
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audiences.
So that's good.
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What's the most surprising thing
in less than a minute?
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What is the most you're excited
about AI, Jeff?
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I, I think the, the thing that I
am the, it's, it's funny,
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there's, there's certain
applications obviously of, of AI
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that, that can be phenomenal,
including, you know, we, we see
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Elon Musk talking about, you
know, allowing blind people to
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see and use neural link and
different things like that.
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I think for me, and this is
going to be kind of backwards a
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little bit, but the very most
exciting thing that I've been
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seeing is that people are waking
up to the fact of how valuable
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just human to human connection
is.
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Now we're seeing more and more
people going back to just having
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human to human connection and
growing their own food and
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spending time with their
families and all that kind of
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stuff.
And to a certain degree,
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checking out from technology.
And, and that's been one of one
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of the interesting effects of
this really, really big push of
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AI is now we're actually seeing
people go out and plant the
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garden and actually doing their
own research and figuring things
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out for themselves.
To me, that's been one of the
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most positive things.
Yeah, you're right.
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I had to fix something this
weekend.
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I thought I could go on YouTube
right now and get the answer.
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But there's something fun about
the discovery of how to solve a
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problem, you know?
All right, well, listen, thank
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you so much again.
Jeff Dornick is is the gentleman
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and he's the CEO of Pickaxe.
Let's pick Axe, a new social
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media app talking about AI.
Thanks again, Jeff.
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We'll talk to you again soon.
Thank you.
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All right, welcome back, America
today.
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You know, woke is everything.
Our AI is everything now.
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And I wanted to bring in Jeff
Dornick about this because it's
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very important about AI and
where we're headed and what it
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means.
And Jeff is the CEO of Pickaxe,
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A groundbreaking social media
platform built on 2
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uncompromising principles,
freedom of speech and freedom of
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reach.
Welcome to the program.
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We appreciate you coming on.
Jeff, how are you?
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Doing very well, thanks for
having me.
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On Yeah, it's a pleasure, real
pleasure.
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So what's the drive right now
with the United States trying to
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dominate in the world of AI?
What is it about AI that is
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making our government so excited
right now?
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Well, I think there's there's a
couple of different issues all
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playing into this right now.
You know #1 you've got China,
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which it, which is investing
heavily into both artificial
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intelligence and quantum
computing to where from a, from
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a national standpoint, you know,
if you're looking at different
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nations, you know, competing in
this space, you know, China's
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definitely leading the way.
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the, a lot of the big tech
oligarch type guys, you know,
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the same Altman's little Larry
Ellison's, Mark Zuckerberg, even
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Elon Musk, they're all are all
super heavily invested into
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artificial intelligence as well.
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happened is that a lot of them
have coalesced around President
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Trump and convinced him of the
fact that, you know, our
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competition, IE China is, is
going to beat us at the at the
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AI race unless we invest heavily
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infrastructure and compete
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factual statement.
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not being asked with it within
our administration is what are
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the potential ramifications of
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rights in a variety of ways?
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actually discussing that side of
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So that's definitely a concern.
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an executive order saying he
doesn't want AI technology
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that's been influenced by
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So how does how do you even, how
can you fix that?
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opinion?
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is pretty infected primarily
because it's like where, where
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is it getting its information?
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obviously it had it had this
thing a couple weeks ago that
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where it went haywire being
completely anti-Semitic.
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you know, we see you know, Grok
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relying on mainstream media
outlets for all of its sources,
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whether it's talking about
Russia gate, whether it's
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talking about election fraud,
whether it's talking about
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COVID-19.
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have a much more woke bias.
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President Trump is doing when
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specifically within the
government, is basically saying
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if there's going to be a
government contract to bring in
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AI into one of our departments,
it cannot be infected with this
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kind of woke ideology, which I
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to actually to actually decide
it and enforce just because the
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coding can be very convoluted.
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look at it, who's deciding, you
know, that whole deal.
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On the on the flip side, we have
to remember this is all this,
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this, this last issue when it
came, when it came to this
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executive order with President
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executive order.
It wasn't legislation, which
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means it can it can be easily
undone with it, with the next
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president of the United States
just with a stroke of a pen.
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So because we're not doing this
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it, it's easily reversible.
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Trump administration is facing
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bill debate, you know, basically
a lot of a lot of what's in the
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the current executive order was
actually written into the
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legislation for the big
beautiful bill.
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There was an outcry from the
MAGA base, from several
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different leading voices within
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Marjorie Taylor Green and Thomas
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that going over well with a lot
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Well, you know, we saw what
happened with the Wikipedia,
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which sort of became the go to
to find out everything.
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And then it, it became wokeified
and you had people who could go
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on and change things and put in
their own information and, and
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you know, but as a, for example,
because many people are still
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sort of getting used to what AI
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surveillance tool, a data
gathering tool more than
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anything else.
It can help you if you're in
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marketing and you want, they've
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able to develop really cool
things, assets that people call
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them.
But it is true.
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I think that AI, it's all about
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It's only going to, it doesn't
think for itself.
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It's only going to go by the
information that's been fed into
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it or that it can curate.
So This is why it becomes woke
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because woke is is sort of
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right?
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government implementation of AI
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ideology.
Yes, that can be a concern and
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all that.
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scheme of things, the most
important issues that where it's
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going, where it's being
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I'm sure that the intelligence
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you know, who knows how they're
doing it because of how
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secretive they are.
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this is, is the departments of
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intelligence.
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approval of particular drugs and
eliminate animal testing, which
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I think is horrific to do it.
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torturing puppies and all that
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to protect humans before drugs
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fast tracking of this and
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eliminating the animal trials in
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models, the problem is, is that
who's actually making the AI,
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the AI models?
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under Kennedy, you know, it's
going to be completely neutral.
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He's not going to allow big
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Well, what happens with the with
the next HHS secretary?
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That's the problem, is that more
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Might get the like the last one
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Tell me about your We got a
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We're talking with Jeff Dornick.
He's the founder and CEO of
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Pickaxe.
So it sounds like it's sort of a
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a non biased.
Tell me what it is.
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Tell me about your company.
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Definitely.
I appreciate.
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So it's a social media platform
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that we that we built and it's
kind of a hybrid between X and
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Substack with a bunch of other
really cool, you know, features
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built into it.
But the whole idea behind it was
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not only allowing you to have
freedom of speech, but then also
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freedom of reach, which means
that we're not going to use
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algorithms in order to
manipulate your exposure to your
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audience.
So he follows you.
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So we're not going to get in
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but we're also finding new and
innovative ways in order to
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bridge that gap between users to
users and creators to users as
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well.
So things like, you know, we're
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going to be implementing an
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where you can send emails to to
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You know, we're, we're bringing
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content creators to be able to
monetize their content.
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You know, you can write articles
directly within our platform and
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have and have it readable right
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We integrate with Rumble into
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videos are playable in the news
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platform.
So we're doing a lot of really
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cool things with this.
And so we've been building
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building this out.
We've got the web version out
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right now at at pickaxe.com.
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launching the app here next
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over, including like Children's
Health Defense, Naomi Wolf, you
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know, Shannon Joy, Daily Cloud,
a bunch of amazing people
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already on the platform.
So I highly encourage people to
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come on over.
I'm going to check it out.
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I I'm somewhat happy with
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sort of like an echo chamber X.
It's just not keeping up.
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So there's not a lot of real
great sources out there for good
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social media.
I'm going to check it out.
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And it's spelled, by the way,
for people listening, PICKAX,
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pick X.
And that's the name of the new
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social media platform that's out
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If you're into social media, I
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I'm a content producer, so I
like new avenues to reach new
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audiences.
So that's good.
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What is the most you're excited
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there's, there's certain
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that, that can be phenomenal,
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Elon Musk talking about, you
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see and use neural link and
different things like that.
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little bit, but the very most
exciting thing that I've been
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seeing is that people are waking
up to the fact of how valuable
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just human to human connection
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people going back to just having
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human to human connection and
growing their own food and
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spending time with their
families and all that kind of
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stuff.
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checking out from technology.
And, and that's been one of one
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of the interesting effects of
this really, really big push of
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AI is now we're actually seeing
people go out and plant the
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garden and actually doing their
own research and figuring things
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out for themselves.
To me, that's been one of the
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most positive things.
Yeah, you're right.
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I had to fix something this
weekend.
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I thought I could go on YouTube
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the discovery of how to solve a
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problem, you know?
All right, well, listen, thank
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you so much again.
Jeff Dornick is is the gentleman
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and he's the CEO of Pickaxe.
Let's pick Axe, a new social
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media app talking about AI.
Thanks again, Jeff.
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We'll talk to you again soon.
Thank you.
