June 25, 2025
China - Clear and Present Danger
Shen Yun spokesman and Chinese histsorian Leishai Lemish joins me to discuss the perils of the CCP, and a general summary of their efforts to destabilize the United States.
But it wasn't always this way. Lee shares why the current Chinese government has made Chinese culture ugly and dark, the antithesis of China's once very spiritual past before it became contaminated by Marxism.
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Welcome back to America Today.
This is Jim Watkins, and we are
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glad to have back on the
program.
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He's been taking some time off
from his work that he does with
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his wonderful group, Shen Yun
and Lee Limesch is also an
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expert on Chinese affairs and he
has a degree in Chinese history
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from Pomona College, California.
He regularly comes on the air
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with us and talks about his
experiences with the CCP.
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Shenyuan, if you don't know, is
a, is a very, oh, you describe
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it.
I always sort of describe it as
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a play, but it's really a
musical and a play and a sort of
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a spiritual experience.
And you've been with him for a
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long, long time.
How would you describe it?
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Well, I think the word you use,
experience, is probably the best
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one.
It's an experience of traveling
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to another world, another time,
another place that doesn't exist
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anywhere else, doesn't even
exist in China anymore.
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This is the China before
communism.
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It's the China of 5000 years of
civilization.
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It's you have demigods, you have
Dragons, you have myths and
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legends and heroes and good
versus evil, and you have very
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clear virtues depicted through
stories and beautiful costumes
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and animated backdrops and the
main.
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I'm going, I'm going to give you
something here.
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I've got 1 you can take to the
team, take to the committee.
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I want you guys to start
referring to yourselves as write
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this down, it'll change
everything.
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Celestial artisans, that's what
you guys.
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Celestial artisans.
Wow, that's who.
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Are we still allowed to like,
eat and like, you know, have
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parties and stuff like that?
Your your artistry is celestial.
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That's what I'm trying to say.
Well, we, that is, you know,
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something that audience members
do say that it was heavenly,
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divine, celestial, you know,
majestic.
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They, they leave the performance
feeling inspired because I think
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it is about showing that Chinese
people speak of this concept of
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divinely inspired culture and
the idea that traditional
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Chinese civilization was
inspired from the heavens, that
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it was brought down to earth and
the knowledge via Chinese
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medicine or the language of the
script, agriculture, all these
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things were brought down from
deities.
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And so they had this divine
origin.
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And that's about passing down,
transmitting this culture from
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one generation to the next.
Of course, to your to your
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point, when the Chinese
Communist Party came over in
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1949, they took over China.
The first thing they set out to
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do was wipe this tradition out
and replace it with the Soviet
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1.
Yeah, you know, people don't
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realize, but in around 506
hundred BC, there was a
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spiritual revolution in the
Middle and Far East when you had
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it's almost simultaneously loud,
say you had Buddha Zeraster and
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all of these were from from
Asia.
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And they were great spiritual
leaders during that that period
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of time.
And it's interesting that the
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CCP, which is a utilitarian
humanistic adventure at best,
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has made the Chinese culture
ugly, dark.
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Isn't that true?
Isn't that amazing what they've
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done?
And this should be a red flag to
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the rest of the world.
Which is why I don't understand
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why New Yorkers are about to
vote for a socialist to run
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their city.
Yeah, I mean, if anybody has any
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illusions about what happens
when you vote for something like
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that, the Communist Manifesto
speaks of socialism as a
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stepping stone to communism.
It's part of the process, and
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that process is giving more and
more of your power to
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centralized government that has
no accountability and no
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transparency and wants to
dominate every aspect of your
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life.
And it's all in the name of this
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kind of utopian ideal of
equality and fairness.
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But sadly, life is not fair.
You know, some people just have
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a really rough and there's
certainly a kind part of our
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hearts that wants to help them
when we can.
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We can help the homeless person
on the street, we can set up
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systems for that.
But the reality is people are
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going to be they're going to be
different.
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And if we're just going to be
jealous of that and try to throw
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away this world because we think
it's not fair and try to get
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something that's equal, it's
never going to happen.
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And what you end up with is
worse societies and you get a
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lot of violence.
So in China, if you, if you want
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to see what it's like to live
under that kind of regime, 60 to
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80 million people have been
murdered by the Chinese
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Communist Party, 40 million
alone in a famine that was man
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made under Mao.
Mao made and, and the people in
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China didn't even know what was
going on.
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And even today, a lot of people
don't know what happened during
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the Great Leap Forward and how
that policy affected all of
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that.
And they thought it was just a
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local famine.
Just people around them in their
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village were starving.
They didn't realize it was the
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entire nation.
And then during the Cultural
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Revolution in the 60s and 70s,
burning temples to the ground,
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smashing Confucius statues,
beating up your parents and
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teachers in the square, smashing
people's heads like watermelons
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on the street.
That's what the communist
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movement there did.
And then you go through that in
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1989.
Then the massacre of the
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students, you go to 1999 and the
persecution of people who
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meditate and practice Falun
Gong, and that continues today.
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You go to the persecution of the
Uyghurs and Tibet.
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You can go on and on and on.
And this is what's happening
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today.
Sure, you have skyscrapers and
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you have these products and
whatever electric vehicles that
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are selling around the world,
but the essence of that regime
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is one of control.
And you must toe the line and
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you will not have freedom.
You cannot have spiritual
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freedom.
You may have freedom of speech,
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but you don't have freedom after
speech.
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That is the joke that the
Taiwanese president said.
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And and that's the reality
there.
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And that is, it's scary.
And I'll tell you what, my
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Chinese friends in America,
people who escaped communism in
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China, who realized what was
going on there and moved to
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United States and have been here
for a while, when they see
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what's happening with the world
culture and the cancel culture
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and the socialist movement in
the United States, they say it's
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just like the culture revolution
in China here all over again.
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It really scares them.
You know, it's interesting.
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I have a friend who lives in
Vietnam and he and I asked him,
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I said, what do the Vietnamese
think of, you know, all these
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ICE raids being disrupted by
rioters?
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And he says to me, he says, I
have a hard time explaining to
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Vietnamese what's actually going
on here, because if there were
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rioters disrupting law
enforcement in their country,
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there would be no debate that
there there would be no rioters.
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They would just squash them.
And over here we're encouraging
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the behavior.
And it's very strange what's
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going on psychologically in
America right now.
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And, and frankly, I can't help
but to wonder if the Confucius
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Institute was a little bit too
effective in our in our
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colleges, because that's what
they've been doing.
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They've been instituting this
sort of Confucianist ideology
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into our college kids.
And now we have a generation of
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college kids who are unwittingly
socialists or even outright
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communists.
Yeah, So I think we're we're
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we're seeing with these riots,
it's really asking the question
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who's behind them.
And you don't have to dig too
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much.
And in fact, the FBI is looking
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into this now, that behind the
LA Riots organization, the Party
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for the Socialist Liberation,
and behind that is an American
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who lives in Shanghai, a man by
the name of Neville Roy Singham
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was a former high tech guy, sold
his company for around $700
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million, moved to Shanghai,
married an activist woman by
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name of Jody Evans.
And they share offices in
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Shanghai with the MACU Group,
which is the propaganda PR firm
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that the CCP used to spread its
message internationally.
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And he's been a major Chinese
Communist Party apologist and
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basically believes that this
Marxist idea is what should be
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the future of the United States.
And now there's a money trail
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between his organization, which
is directly linked to the CCP
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and the rice in Lai don't know
to the extent of A and are they
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the main force behind they're
just kind of there for the ride
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and supporting it.
We don't really know.
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But what we are seeing is the
Chinese Communist Party, and
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this maybe sounds fantastic,
although we actually look into
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it.
They it has a plan for weakening
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the United States domestically
through a long term war.
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We're seeing that through things
like fentanyl that's killing off
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the male military aged males in
our country and ruining, of
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course, so many families.
It's just so tragic.
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And we're seeing this through
things like TikTok of trying to
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make us just stupid and
distracted.
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And we're seeing this through
intellectual property theft.
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We're seeing this through buying
agriculture.
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And we even saw how they handled
COVID.
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They shut down China and sent it
to people on planes all over the
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world and then insisted we
called COVID because so that we
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don't call it the China virus.
Then through the WHL and what
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I'm seeing in my group was
showing you performing arts is
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they're going after us with
primarily 2 main strategies. 1
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is law fair, and one is media
manipulation of our own media.
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So on the law fair side, you
have people with ties to Beijing
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filing frivolous lawsuits in the
United States and courts here
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targeting our group, targeting,
for example, our headquarters on
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environmental issues.
And these lawsuits keep getting
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dismissed because they're
baseless.
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And the last time they were
dismissed with prejudice,
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meaning you can't file them
again.
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And then they take this and take
it to the media and say, look,
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there's these lawsuits.
And then that's how they try to
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get the CCPs narrative against
people in the United States.
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That's very.
Scary Leishai Lemish bringing
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all of this to the forefront in
a condensed format.
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Fortunately, we're out of time,
so we'll have to regroup and
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reengage.
And Shen Yuen.
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Look into it.
It's coming soon into a
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neighborhood near you.
We'll see you next time here on
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America TODAY.
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Welcome back to America Today.
This is Jim Watkins, and we are
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glad to have back on the
program.
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He's been taking some time off
from his work that he does with
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his wonderful group, Shen Yun
and Lee Limesch is also an
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expert on Chinese affairs and he
has a degree in Chinese history
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from Pomona College, California.
He regularly comes on the air
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with us and talks about his
experiences with the CCP.
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Shenyuan, if you don't know, is
a, is a very, oh, you describe
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it.
I always sort of describe it as
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a play, but it's really a
musical and a play and a sort of
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a spiritual experience.
And you've been with him for a
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long, long time.
How would you describe it?
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Well, I think the word you use,
experience, is probably the best
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one.
It's an experience of traveling
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to another world, another time,
another place that doesn't exist
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anywhere else, doesn't even
exist in China anymore.
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This is the China before
communism.
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It's the China of 5000 years of
civilization.
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It's you have demigods, you have
Dragons, you have myths and
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legends and heroes and good
versus evil, and you have very
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clear virtues depicted through
stories and beautiful costumes
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and animated backdrops and the
main.
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I'm going, I'm going to give you
something here.
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I've got 1 you can take to the
team, take to the committee.
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I want you guys to start
referring to yourselves as write
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this down, it'll change
everything.
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Celestial artisans, that's what
you guys.
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Celestial artisans.
Wow, that's who.
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Are we still allowed to like,
eat and like, you know, have
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parties and stuff like that?
Your your artistry is celestial.
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That's what I'm trying to say.
Well, we, that is, you know,
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something that audience members
do say that it was heavenly,
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divine, celestial, you know,
majestic.
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They, they leave the performance
feeling inspired because I think
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it is about showing that Chinese
people speak of this concept of
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divinely inspired culture and
the idea that traditional
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Chinese civilization was
inspired from the heavens, that
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it was brought down to earth and
the knowledge via Chinese
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medicine or the language of the
script, agriculture, all these
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things were brought down from
deities.
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And so they had this divine
origin.
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And that's about passing down,
transmitting this culture from
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one generation to the next.
Of course, to your to your
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point, when the Chinese
Communist Party came over in
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1949, they took over China.
The first thing they set out to
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do was wipe this tradition out
and replace it with the Soviet
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1.
Yeah, you know, people don't
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realize, but in around 506
hundred BC, there was a
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spiritual revolution in the
Middle and Far East when you had
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it's almost simultaneously loud,
say you had Buddha Zeraster and
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all of these were from from
Asia.
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And they were great spiritual
leaders during that that period
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of time.
And it's interesting that the
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CCP, which is a utilitarian
humanistic adventure at best,
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has made the Chinese culture
ugly, dark.
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Isn't that true?
Isn't that amazing what they've
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done?
And this should be a red flag to
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the rest of the world.
Which is why I don't understand
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why New Yorkers are about to
vote for a socialist to run
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their city.
Yeah, I mean, if anybody has any
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illusions about what happens
when you vote for something like
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that, the Communist Manifesto
speaks of socialism as a
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stepping stone to communism.
It's part of the process, and
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that process is giving more and
more of your power to
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centralized government that has
no accountability and no
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transparency and wants to
dominate every aspect of your
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life.
And it's all in the name of this
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kind of utopian ideal of
equality and fairness.
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But sadly, life is not fair.
You know, some people just have
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a really rough and there's
certainly a kind part of our
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hearts that wants to help them
when we can.
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We can help the homeless person
on the street, we can set up
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systems for that.
But the reality is people are
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going to be they're going to be
different.
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And if we're just going to be
jealous of that and try to throw
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away this world because we think
it's not fair and try to get
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something that's equal, it's
never going to happen.
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And what you end up with is
worse societies and you get a
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lot of violence.
So in China, if you, if you want
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to see what it's like to live
under that kind of regime, 60 to
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80 million people have been
murdered by the Chinese
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Communist Party, 40 million
alone in a famine that was man
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made under Mao.
Mao made and, and the people in
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China didn't even know what was
going on.
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And even today, a lot of people
don't know what happened during
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the Great Leap Forward and how
that policy affected all of
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that.
And they thought it was just a
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local famine.
Just people around them in their
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village were starving.
They didn't realize it was the
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entire nation.
And then during the Cultural
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Revolution in the 60s and 70s,
burning temples to the ground,
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smashing Confucius statues,
beating up your parents and
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teachers in the square, smashing
people's heads like watermelons
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on the street.
That's what the communist
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movement there did.
And then you go through that in
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1989.
Then the massacre of the
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students, you go to 1999 and the
persecution of people who
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meditate and practice Falun
Gong, and that continues today.
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You go to the persecution of the
Uyghurs and Tibet.
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You can go on and on and on.
And this is what's happening
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today.
Sure, you have skyscrapers and
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you have these products and
whatever electric vehicles that
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are selling around the world,
but the essence of that regime
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is one of control.
And you must toe the line and
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you will not have freedom.
You cannot have spiritual
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freedom.
You may have freedom of speech,
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but you don't have freedom after
speech.
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That is the joke that the
Taiwanese president said.
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And and that's the reality
there.
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And that is, it's scary.
And I'll tell you what, my
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Chinese friends in America,
people who escaped communism in
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China, who realized what was
going on there and moved to
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United States and have been here
for a while, when they see
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what's happening with the world
culture and the cancel culture
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and the socialist movement in
the United States, they say it's
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just like the culture revolution
in China here all over again.
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It really scares them.
You know, it's interesting.
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I have a friend who lives in
Vietnam and he and I asked him,
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I said, what do the Vietnamese
think of, you know, all these
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ICE raids being disrupted by
rioters?
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And he says to me, he says, I
have a hard time explaining to
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Vietnamese what's actually going
on here, because if there were
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rioters disrupting law
enforcement in their country,
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there would be no debate that
there there would be no rioters.
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They would just squash them.
And over here we're encouraging
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the behavior.
And it's very strange what's
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going on psychologically in
America right now.
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And, and frankly, I can't help
but to wonder if the Confucius
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Institute was a little bit too
effective in our in our
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colleges, because that's what
they've been doing.
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They've been instituting this
sort of Confucianist ideology
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into our college kids.
And now we have a generation of
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college kids who are unwittingly
socialists or even outright
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communists.
Yeah, So I think we're we're
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we're seeing with these riots,
it's really asking the question
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who's behind them.
And you don't have to dig too
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much.
And in fact, the FBI is looking
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into this now, that behind the
LA Riots organization, the Party
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for the Socialist Liberation,
and behind that is an American
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who lives in Shanghai, a man by
the name of Neville Roy Singham
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was a former high tech guy, sold
his company for around $700
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million, moved to Shanghai,
married an activist woman by
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name of Jody Evans.
And they share offices in
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Shanghai with the MACU Group,
which is the propaganda PR firm
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that the CCP used to spread its
message internationally.
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And he's been a major Chinese
Communist Party apologist and
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basically believes that this
Marxist idea is what should be
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the future of the United States.
And now there's a money trail
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between his organization, which
is directly linked to the CCP
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and the rice in Lai don't know
to the extent of A and are they
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the main force behind they're
just kind of there for the ride
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and supporting it.
We don't really know.
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But what we are seeing is the
Chinese Communist Party, and
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this maybe sounds fantastic,
although we actually look into
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it.
They it has a plan for weakening
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the United States domestically
through a long term war.
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We're seeing that through things
like fentanyl that's killing off
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the male military aged males in
our country and ruining, of
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course, so many families.
It's just so tragic.
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And we're seeing this through
things like TikTok of trying to
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make us just stupid and
distracted.
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And we're seeing this through
intellectual property theft.
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We're seeing this through buying
agriculture.
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And we even saw how they handled
COVID.
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They shut down China and sent it
to people on planes all over the
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world and then insisted we
called COVID because so that we
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don't call it the China virus.
Then through the WHL and what
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I'm seeing in my group was
showing you performing arts is
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they're going after us with
primarily 2 main strategies. 1
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is law fair, and one is media
manipulation of our own media.
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So on the law fair side, you
have people with ties to Beijing
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filing frivolous lawsuits in the
United States and courts here
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targeting our group, targeting,
for example, our headquarters on
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environmental issues.
And these lawsuits keep getting
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dismissed because they're
baseless.
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And the last time they were
dismissed with prejudice,
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meaning you can't file them
again.
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And then they take this and take
it to the media and say, look,
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there's these lawsuits.
And then that's how they try to
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get the CCPs narrative against
people in the United States.
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That's very.
Scary Leishai Lemish bringing
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all of this to the forefront in
a condensed format.
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Fortunately, we're out of time,
so we'll have to regroup and
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reengage.
And Shen Yuen.
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Look into it.
It's coming soon into a
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neighborhood near you.
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