Anton Chaitkin - Why Forever Wars

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Welcome back to America Today.
My guest now on a history note

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and talking about the current
state of affairs is Anton

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Chaitkin, historian.
And I'm very happy about your

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new book, which is entitled Who
We Are, America's Fight for

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Universal Progress.
And we're going to talk about

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Iran and America's involvement
and what some of your concerns

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are.
So welcome to America Today.

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You believe your position is
similar to what we're hearing

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from people like Steve Bannon
and Tucker Carlson, some

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conservative influencers, that
we should not be dragged into

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this Iran war.
So how concerned are you that

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that might happen?
Yeah, the people are right who

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say that they, like Tucker, say
that there's peace, people who

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want peace versus the war
mongers.

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And that's the fundamental
divide in the world.

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But you have to get into the
history of what who are the the

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peacemakers versus the
warmongers that this is the

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history that I've brought out in
a revolutionary new core

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strategic history of the USA. 2
volumes so far.

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I'm working on the 20th century
now, but the our side, the were

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economic nationalists and they
built up all the chief

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industries of our country,
steel, electricity, railroads,

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canals, nuclear science and the
space, the deep space program.

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The other side were the British
Empire and their their friends.

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And that that that is that
included the Wall Street

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financiers and the southern
slave owners, anti industrial,

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anti US interests.
So that's the globalists and

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they took our industry down and
got us in a succession of wars

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against our interests after the
they murdered the Kennedy

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brothers.
That's my view.

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So this recent attack, you have
to see this as a twin attack

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that was launched against the by
Ukraine and by Israel.

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And it was coordinated by
Ukraine against the remember the

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the Russian bombers, strategic
bombers deep inside Russia, and

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by Israel against Iran, both of
them coordinated by this

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international intelligence
consortium of aim of the

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British, I think the Israelis
and the faction of our

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intelligence that is loyal to
those globalists.

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And you.
One of the hallmarks of these

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two attacks was the placing of
drones inside both Russia and

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Iran.
The purpose of these attacks was

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to try to derail what Trump and
others that wanted to do, which

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is to restore American industry
and stop the wars.

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Whether Trump does that or you
know, whatever he actually

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wants, really the voters want
that Americans, a large majority

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are in favor of rebuilding the
United States and having peace

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and calm so that we can get back
to the kind of skill levels and

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and prosperous family oriented
country that we that we had in

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the past that was based on
protection, high wages and a

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devotion of the credit of the
country to industry.

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Now the globalists are for the
British Empire strategy is for

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constant war against the right
of self government.

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They don't believe any country
has the right to rise.

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They want to set rules for every
country against modernization.

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And it was the USA that brought
nuclear science to Iran.

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That has to be remembered.
That was our patriots, the enemy

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side, the Dulles faction, later
the Cheney, Bush, you know, Liz

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Cheney was in this too.
In 2003, Dulles faction

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overthrew the democratic
government of Iran and 53

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breaking with our tradition.
And you know, Eisenhower tried

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to get he actually had Atoms For
Peace for Iran.

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Kennedy proposed nuclear power
plants for the entire world,

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Desalina tion projects for joint
projects for Israel and its

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Muslim neighbors, for Pakistan
and India and so forth.

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So the these wars are are are
designed by this British

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oriented faction, this
transnational faction to derail

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American influence in the world,
real independence for the idea

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of self government and progress.
They also have the green agenda

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which says denies the right of
countries to have the modern

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energy sources like nuclear
power and dams and to rise in a

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standard of living.
They condemn the the poor of the

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world to to destruction and they
they ultimately this is the

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cause of the wars.
So our interest as a nation is

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to shut these wars down, to
cooperate with the other

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countries, to guarantee security
and in the Middle East and and

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elsewhere and get back to the
greatness of our country, which

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is which has has a root in this
ancient concept of self

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government against the
imperialist system.

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Anton Chaitkin, I want to just
to reintroduce you to those just

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joining us.
He's the author of his second

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edition of the book Who We Are,
America's Fight for Universal

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Progress.
What you're suggesting here, and

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it's a simple 1, is that the
military industrial complex is

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still driving policy.
I want to play a clip from a war

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expert that was on earlier
today.

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His name is Michael Pillsbury.
You may know him, but he had

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this to say about what Trump is
trying to do and how the media

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itself is is collaborating to
make him look weak.

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Take a listen to this SO.
I very much doubt that there are

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nuclear weapons on these 3740
sevens.

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It's going to be another example
of where commentators make

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irresponsible claims and they
need to be held to account

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afterwards.
If there's no nuclear weapons on

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the planes, if they're just
going to evacuate their embassy,

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somebody needs to apologize for
these.

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While frankly, actually they're
designed to make President Trump

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look soft.
These people making these

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forecasts or these scenarios,
they always have a theme that

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Trump is not soft, is too soft
on China.

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I think they undermine what
President Trump's trying to do,

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which is have a legacy of peace
and prosperity.

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He's been really clear.
Now, earlier in that interview,

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Anton, he talks about how even
China is is wanting to sort of

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negotiate this.
They don't want war.

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They don't want more.
Of this exactly.

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So again.
There's no, Yeah, go ahead.

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No.
Just to again, it reveals why

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these forces are so against what
Trump's trying to do.

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Trump is actually living up to
his word.

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He wants to be peace driven.
I think people have to have a

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really tough skin to re evaluate
our history because we're going

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to have to think deeply and
we're going to have to, we're

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going to be buffeted about as we
get into the truth of these

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things.
You can't get, for example, that

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what about 911?
You can't get to the truth of

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that by simply digging in the
rubble of the buildings and

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trying to find perpetrators and
so forth.

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You have to look at this
history.

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Why did the the Dulles faction
work with this with British MI 6

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to overthrow the democratic
government of Iran in 53?

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They they did this to break with
the American legacy of aid and

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comfort to the growth of other
countries.

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Not spending taxpayers money,
but allowing these countries to

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do as we did to to have self
government.

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Dulles and his faction didn't
want that the Brit because they

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serve this British Empire
purpose and they were great

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Anglophiles.
And and so the result of that

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that overthrow of the Mossadegh
government in Iran was was great

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hostility to the United States.
We we sacrifice, they sacrifices

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Dulles factions sacrifice our
interest.

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Then you get the assassination
of Kennedy.

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Dulles is in the middle of that
and they these are enemies of

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mankind because they denied us
the right to self government by

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murdering our president and his
brother and doctor Martin Luther

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King.
I think that was a triple

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assassination.
So then you have this war by

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Dick Cheney and and George Bush.
They claimed that Saddam Hussein

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had this uranium from Africa and
had an active nuclear weapons

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program and it was a falsehood.
And they tried to suppress those

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members of the intelligence
community who tried to get the

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truth of it and, and, and, and
get this circulating.

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So this is the purpose of these
attacks was to get, and this is

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the hardest thing for people to
understand, why would Americans,

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and this goes back to Teddy
Roosevelt, why would Americans

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attack other countries in what
what they must have known in

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advance would cause hatred of
our country and lose influence

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for our country?
It's because they were not

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dedicated to the United States,
its interests and its in

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independence.
You go back to the Mexican War.

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This was led by slave owners and
not just slave owners, but the

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most radical imperialistic ones
who who wanted to have a

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Southern empire.
They wanted to spread slavery

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and and take over Latin America
and destroy the USA.

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They were part of the British
Empire.

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They exported the cotton to
England.

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They didn't want us to have
industry.

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Abraham Lincoln opposed that war
against Mexico.

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He said it was it was based on
lies by the president of Frank

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Polk, James Polk, who who
launched that war.

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And so that cost him his career
until he later was was made

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president.
He was in Congress at that time.

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When he was president, he had to
face the same faction that had

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made that war against Mexico.
Now they were leading the South

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in a treason against our country
to break up the USA and the

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British supplied them with
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This, this has there's a
continual history of this

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faction.
It's in my book.

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Yeah, I have to say I love
history.

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And what you're telling me is,
is is just so fascinating.

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So it it kind of explains the
deep state.

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I mean, the deep state here is a
continuous effort to work with

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the globalists, but they're
working actually against

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Americans progress.
Isn't that strange to you?

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It's strange until you see what
our side is all about.

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And my books is mainly about our
side from Franklin to Kennedy.

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Look at the people who built the
railroads.

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They were patriots and they were
nationalists.

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All railroads in the beginning
were community projects.

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John Quincy Adams assigned the
Army engineers to build the

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first railroads, which with the
first one was the Baltimore and

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High Railroad and and the cities
and states invested in these

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railroads.
The and of course the

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Transcontinental railroad and
federal project.

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The the steel industry was built
by the Pennsylvania Railroad who

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were economic nationalists
supporting Lincoln and

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supporting high tariffs,
supporting also easy money that

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would be directed by federal
design into productive industry,

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not speculation.
They built the steel industry,

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they started the petroleum
industry, they sponsored Edison.

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This Philadelphia nationalist,
Traction Edison, was in the

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nationalist side.
He had partners in Germany and

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other countries too, and we
spread electricity to the world.

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So what was the what was the
story that Americans got after

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the murder of Kennedy?
They were told that the United

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States was built up to its power
by an imperialistic racist

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policy, by free trade, by
killing the Indians, by having

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slavery and by exploiting other
countries.

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In other words, the British
Empire as imposed on U.S.

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history.
Well, yes, we did kill Indians,

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and that was a crime.
It was largely a great crime of

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our country.
And to understand that to to

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effectively criticize that you
have to appreciate what America

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accomplished trying to have a
Republic.

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And, and so in these instances,
we didn't live up to our ideals.

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There was plenty of of of room
and land for for Indians and the

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new settlers.
We didn't have to rob them.

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You know, it's settled
agricultural communities that

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were, were were robbed and and
massacred and then they were

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they would have we have a treaty
with with Indians to to make get

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a new push them to new land.
You know, this original policy

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goes back to the slave owners
and people like Andrew Jackson

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who were anti national.
They said we're going to spread

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slavery.
We're going to we're going to

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have self greedy self-interest
rather than the harmony of

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interest.
We should have extended the hand

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of friendship to the Indians
whose way of life we were taking

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down.
We should have given them the

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resources they needed in terms
of agricultural tools, in terms

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of education, in terms of
capital to, to build up their

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part in our more modern
civilization.

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So, but it's slavery was a drag
on our country.

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And the slave owners, which
were, were part of the political

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faction, the globalist faction
that said America should not be

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allowed to industrialize slavery
didn't build this country.

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It, it was a, it was a disaster
for the United States.

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The colonial legislatures and
colonial revolutionary faction

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tried to overthrow slavery and
they made laws against it.

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And the British Parliament and
king nullified those laws.

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So this is, this is a fight
between 2, not just two ways of

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life, but two philosophies.
And at our best, we were on the

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side of the angels.
And that means providing decent

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living standards for people, not
just talking about human rights

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in a way that doesn't take real
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What about our interests?
The interests of our people in

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high skilled, high wage jobs?
The other side claims that the

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only rights there are are the
right of some elite to dominate

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the world and claim to be doing
it in the name of human rights.

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So that's those, that's the
fight all throughout our

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history.
And it starts with the English

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Industrial Revolution with
Franklin go in there in the

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colonial times trying to make
industry in England and working

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with geniuses in England like
Bolton and Watt and Priestly and

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and Wedgwood, the Lunar Society
that that he was the spark plug

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for.
Those are the kind of people,

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anti imperialist and anti
slavery Englishman who worked

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with Franklin, who actually
created their industry.

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The the British government led
by the East India Company said

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that's great.
We'll use these powers, the

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steam engine and other things
for our empire.

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And we won't allow any other
country to get these powers,

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including America.
Franklin had to flee for his

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life in 1775.
He came back to America and

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help.
He and Washington were the real

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leaders of the American
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And we were faced with this
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England now had these powers
over nature.

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We had to have them or we would
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We'd be flooded with cheap
imports and we would, we would

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not be able to compete and, and,
and live in the modern world.

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They would, they would destroy
us.

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They would find ways to destroy
the country and so we have to

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have industry.
We've only.

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Got about a minute left and I
don't want to lose the the focus

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here.
Based on everything that I've

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heard you say, am I?
Am I rightly guessing that you

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believe in Trump's policy and
that he's on the right track?

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I believe in the policy that he
campaigned for.

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What is his policy now?
He, he's been keeping the world

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on, you know, on, on tenterhooks
here for, for, for quite a while

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as Israel attacked.
I think that you have to, we

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need new leadership that is
going to fulfill what Trump

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campaigned on, which is peace
and rebuilding the USA to become

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the power again that it was and
have the influence that it had.

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I believe in what he said and,
and I, I leave it up to, you

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know, the people to fight for
those things.

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There's a big fight going on
inside the MAGA movement right

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now between these two sides or
mongers versus people that want

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to want to have civilization.
That's that's what it's about.

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We've got a hard break and I do
appreciate Anton Chait can get

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his book if you like what he's
talking about.

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And boy, it's true.
The more you know about about

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history, the more you can see
the future, who we are.

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America's fight for universe
progress volume to Anton, thank

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you so much for joining me here
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